Apr
05
2012We’re In – Miss Universe
They’ve decided to reverse their decision over at Miss Universe Canada and allow the transgender contestant to compete.
Those of the school that any publicity is good publicity will suspect that the whole thing was a charade. With “the Trump” behind the contest, such suspicion can only grow.
But, I think the image of the contest has been sullied somewhat. Don’t you?
No matter, I think the whole episode has done the trans community a wonderful service by shining the spotlight on a positive image of our community rather than some of the sordid headlines we often get.
Maybe people will rethink their impressions of what a “tranny” is. One can only hope…
MIkki
It’s too bad that anything is “sullied” by a flap over a transgendered woman. Perhaps there might be a valid problem if the woman were pre-operative and had “extra” equipment competing in a contest specifically for women, but in this case the contestant is a woman. Too bad she was born with equipment that was not gender appropriate for her. But that mistake of nature was corrected and now she passes the gender test.
Eventually problems like this will fade into the past. One day, probably not too far off, when something like this comes up again people will greet it with a yawn and just move along as if nothing had happened.
Too bad for the haters who always need someone or something to attack. People who must have such poor self-esteem that they can only boost their self images by pushing a more vulnerable portion of society under them. My dad was one of those lowlifes, as was his father, Thank goodness I escaped.
As far as anything being “sullied” by this flap over Jenna is concerned, I’m inclined to think it’s nobody’s fault and nothng is really sullied. Whenever something happens for the first time, no matter whether it’s good or bad or whatever, there will be a flap. I’m sure Jenna was prepared for some shit to hit the fan, and she seems to have taken it with grace and poise. Certainly the contest didn’t anticipate transgendered women when they drew up the rules who knows how many years ago. So it’s a bump in the road, the shock absorbers worked and things are moving on. Jenna is a contestant in a BIG beauty contest.
Things would have been sullied if the operators of the contest had caved in to small-minded people and thought and had tossed Jenna out.But that didn’t happen, did it? I think the whole thing is a credit to Jenna, who had the self confidence and courage to enter this contest, and to the operators who decided their rules had the flexibility to keep up with the times. Next hoop to jump through — a transgendered woman wins one of those contests. And next, “Ho, hum, what’s new”?
herr brockman
This is pure media madness and spin. Jenna is a shit-hot, drop dead gorgeous female. All you TeeGee wanna-be’s are just jealous and envious of what she has worked for and earned. That is why you label her transgender. So you can elevate yourselves to her level of reality.
You’re not in. You’re still all on the outside looking in and drooling.
cdjanie
I am glad that you consider Jenna a female – I do too.
However, your comments about us tgirls being jealous and labelling her transgender may fly in certain circles but not here. The madness and spin is yours.
First, it was the “straight” community which labelled her trans by excluding her from the competition; we just had her back. If not for our support, she would not be in the competition even now.
Second, I for one have no interest in being a full-fledged female. I have said so on many occasions. I’m happy the way I am. And, as far as role models go, I’d much prefer channelling Andrej Pejic than Jenna. I think Jenna’s beautiful, but I am in no way jealous of her.
As to your conclusion, there is one thing I do agree with you about: we are not in. Neither is Jenna, sadly. But, you’re the one looking in and drooling. And, you just can’t help yourself.
herr brockman
“I for one have no interest in being a full-fledged female. I have said so on many occasions. I’m happy the way I am.”
OK. Then if you are happy being a cross dressing male, then why lay claim to the success of this young woman? What have you in common with her? As Tonto was prone to saying, “Who is ‘we’, Kimo-Sabe?”
“…it was the “straight” community which labelled her trans by excluding her from the competition”.
No…….She was removed from competition because she LIED about being a “naturally born female”. She was not born female. She was born male. Perhaps what Trump has done, is to recognize the legitimacy of a sex change.
It is the trans* ‘community’, what ever the heck that is, that is glomming on to Jenna’s success as a woman for a free ticket to ride.
cdjanie
I don’t know what burr got in your saddle, but I don’t lay claim to any of her success – it is all her own.
What I have in common with her is having been born male and having, to a larger or smaller extent, female characteristsics (mental, physical, spiritual) – and having issues of acceptance from people like you because of that dichotomy.
You say she’s female, but go look at the comments around the web on this story – plenty of guys saying she’s a MAN. Here’s one quote:
“This is absurd! This gentleman can feel as feminine as he wants, lop it off and get himself a hole, change every hormone in his body if that’s even possible – It changes nothing, he’s a maaaaan! He will always be a maaaaan! I can’t believe the number of people who buy into this plight. I’m totally in favour of this person and all people’s rights to all freedoms. That is not the point here. My dog, born with canine DNA, can no more insist he is a cat because he decides to chases mice and purr, than this dear gentleman can insist he is female just because he feels like one or gets himself a pussy. I’m sorry sir, best of luck to you”
You are not much different than that guy. Your line is in a different place, but you have only 2 boxes and feel like you have to put everyone into one or the other. For you, it seems to depend on whether a person cuts off their male organ or not.
I am not a female. But neither am I a “crossdressing male” as you put it; it is not as simple as that. Gender-wise, I have more in common with Jenna than with a guy who just happens to wear a dress. And, she and I share the same problem of people refusing to recognize that our gender is determined not by our original equipment – or even what equipment we choose to keep – but by our spirit.
It is your kind of thinking that got Jenna disqualified. If you think it was because she lied, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. Even the people who make up those lame excuses to save face don’t expect anyone to believe them.
herr brockman
Than you for clarifying your position. I hope you will allow me to clear up some of the many misapprehensions you seem to have about me.
First of all, I really do not have any problem with how you feel or live your life. Really. I don’t. Nor do I allow nimrods like the guy you quoted to affect how I see things. Everyone is entitled to an opinion no matter how ignorant. Thankfully idiots like the guy you quoted do not make the rules.
Another example of your false assumptions is thinking that I consider castration a measure of womanhood. How ignorant is that? What you seem unwilling to recognize is that the issue which I originally raised had to to with your proclamation, (which you seemed to retract by agreeing with me), that celebrated the fact that “We’re in!”
It seems that Jenna is “in”, albeit as the token ‘tranny'(-your word, not mine-). Folks with male equipment…not so sure.
So where do you draw the line?
cdjanie
You misunderstand. “We’re In” means that all of us who face the lack of acceptance due to our dual-gendered nature can be happy that society has taken one, highly publicized, but very small step in tolerating our kind, and that maybe such an attitude will filter down to the people each of us interacts with, and that the world will be a little kinder to us. We are not “glomming onto her success;” we just hope that accommodating her is a sign that maybe we’re a little closer to being accepted in society.
I am glad to hear that you have no problem with the way I lead my life. I am still holding out for acceptance over tolerance, but I’ll take the tolerance, and with much appreciation.
As to where to draw the line, I used to be an enthusiastic line drawer too. But, one needs to ask what purpose the line serves. As far as a beauty pageant goes, why do we need a line? (And that’s not a rhetorical question – feel free to answer it).
Finally, you emphatically deny my assertion that your line is all about the sexual equipment we have, but then proceed to say that Jenna is “in” but you’re not so sure about those with male equipment. Care to clarify?
herr brockman
My point is that I do not see Jenna as having a “dual-gendered nature”. I am interpreting your point, (perhaps incorrectly), as hoping that because society, as represented by Trump and his beauty pageant, seems to accept Jenna as a woman, they will also accept “dual gendered” folks as well.
My thinking is this. That Jenna is a woman, there is no question, except in those small minds of morons and religeous extremists. I value their opinions about as much as I do the opinion of those crazies on the other side of the spectrum that advocate for anarchy and anything goes permissiveness.
The acceptance that you seek as a transgender or trans* person would seem to me to be that same as that sought by any minority, be that the genius geek at school with no social skills or a child or adult with autism or any number of conditions which would make them different.
IMO, everyone has the right to pursue their own brand of happiness. Where I draw the line is at that point where that pursuit infringes on my rights or the rights of others, including those rights to personal privacy.
I have seen your pictures which you post frequently. In my judgement, you are not particularly attractive or feminine. But then, that is just my personal opinion. If I were to encounter you in passing, I am not sure what I would think your gender was. Most likely I would not give it a second thought, as I have little interest in gendering people. People make an impression and I leave it at that. That having been said, I have not read anything in your blogs where you have encountered any problems, which is what I would interpret as progress for “your kind”.
i would argue that despite the fact that the media, Barbara Wa Wa, et al., (following the lead from GLAAD, a Gay/Lesbian organization), insists on labeling Jenna as transgendered, she is not. Jenna certainly does not see herself that way. Why should she be burdened with that label?
cdjanie
I agree with you that Jenna is not dual-gendered. To my mind she is female. Period. But she traveled the road from male to female and was transgendered all the way along that road. Even now, she still has male chromosomes, and still has male health risks. She still has to take drugs to keep herself feminine and functional.
You are wrong that there is no question that she is female, or that it is only the small-minded that feel that way. My impression is that a pretty strong majority of people generally would tell you she is something other than simply a woman. And, the pageant did NOT accept her as a woman – they accepted her as a transgendered woman.
More to the point, the majority of those who found out that she was once a man will treat her in much the same way they will treat me, or, horrors!! t-girls who are even less feminine and less attractive than I am.
Wrong or not, that’s why she’s burdened with that label.
herr brockman
Who says that she “was transgendered all the way along that road”? You? GLAAD? Do you see no distinction between transgendered, a term which is so amorphorous it could mean anything to anybody, and transsexual which has a clear physical connotation.
Are you arguing that women, yes “naturally born women” with uteruses and xxy chromosomes are not women? Even doctors disagree, and I will disagree with you.
The only reason that you are hitching your wagon onto Jenna’s coatails is so that you can see yourself as equal to or the same as.
Well, in my opinion you do not even come close.
Jenna does not have a penis. Jenna does not have the option to don ‘boy-mode’ at will. For reasons unknown she was duped into competing in Thaland and as a consequence of that disasterous decision she will be forever labeled as trans* whatever and something less than female.
Frankly, I blame men in dresses, and yes, with penises, for being too cowardly to admit that they simply get-off on ‘femulating’ and demanding the right to play gurl at will, rather than demanding that the rest of us accept them as what they are, something other than women.
Edy
Why is it so hard for an intelligent person like you to understand that transgenderism takes place on a spectrum. Some feel so estranged from their own bodies that they have to pursue a sex change and live fulltime and others can dress and satisfy their gender feelings without the need to go any further. Who are you to judge what one is more woman than another. Who died and made you the transgender police?
cdjanie
Edy, you are arguing with someone who seems to want to goad us into argument regardless of how many times he or she has to ignore cogent thoughts, lie or contradict himself or herself. I, for one, have had enough of it, and since it is my site, I am putting an end to it.